Rae
3 posts
Joined: 08/11/2004 17:51:19
Location: Manchester United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
popping out of 2nd gear
Hello anyone/everyone. Ive recently bought a 1984 mini 25, and the guy before me did a whole bunch of stuff on it. One of the problems I have is that it will sometimes pop out of gear but only in 2nd. Seems to occur when either going over speed bumps or slow-ish round corners. Im pretty sure the suspension has been lowered and tinkered with as my mini does give a bouncy ride. Is this contributing to the popping out of gear? Or is there something else wrong???? Thanks, Rachel
Posted: Dec 14, 2004 06:54 PM
Tim
20 posts
Joined: 31/10/2004 13:08:06
Location: Chesham United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
2nd gear
second gear went completly on a friends car, it just wears out as it is the highest ratio non stright cut gear in the engine due to first gear beign stright cut. If it was a linkage porblem then it would likely happen to 4th gear too! best thing to do is strip box down and have a look as there is a chance the selector forks could be worn too
Posted: Dec 14, 2004 10:03 PM
minicranks
Joined: 13/09/2004 09:51:35
Location: Shannon New Zealand
I have a similar prolem in my own car it drops out of gear on deacceleration and nothing wrong with my engine mounts. its coming out next week to have a look as new baulk rings and new 2nd gear was fitted, i will look at the springs under the 2nd gear syncro and also the selector fork to see for any wear, hope it comes right as it annoying as it doesnt drop cleanly out of gear but sounds like its drops in between and is running on the teeth. bugger.
Posted: Dec 22, 2004 04:44 AM
Ross
2 posts
Joined: 25/11/2004 18:40:52
Location: Brighton United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
2nd gear crunching
Bought my Mini 4 years ago when it was only a year old. Always had a slight crunch giong between 2nd and 3rd gear and from 3rd to 2nd. Gradually got worse until it became almost undriveable and could barely get into 3rd at all. Got the gearbox rebuilt about a year ago and baulk rings were replaced, also had a new clutch. Drove like a dream for about 9 months then started to crunch again. Now its pretty bad again. Should I get it rebuilt again or go for a whole new gearbox? Would competition baulk rings help with wear and tear if I go for the rebuild options? Anything else that might help? Thanks!
Posted: Mar 12, 2005 06:15 PM
MonicaGB
4 posts
Joined: 02/07/2005 00:01:38
Location: Hünstetten Germany
2nd gear dodgy?
That's my own personal, ignorant diagnosis! But who knows more. The problem can be described as follows: When selecting 2nd gear (in high revs) I always experience a crunch UNLESS I hold the clutch for an extended period 1 or 2 secs before selecting. Also - 2nd gear drops out when coasting (downhill) without maintaining the revs. I am the second owner of this 2000mpi and I believe the previous owner enjoyed the thrill of a mini at speed....perhaps even am. racing. I guess I'm in for some bad news but is this enough for anyone to tell me exactly what my problem could be? Thanks JB
Posted: Apr 20, 2006 09:39 PM
Chris
131 posts
Joined: 18/02/2005 08:56:10
Location: Leamington Spa United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
Good afternnon,
The symptons you describe sounds like worn selector forks within the gearbox.
Bad news : Will have to be replaced.
Good News : The fault wont get any worse and if you can learn to live with it, you wont have to have the work done.
Regards
Posted: Apr 21, 2006 03:32 PM
Thanks Chris,
I'm pretty sure you're right on this one...Had the problem for a year and (although irritating) it does not seem to have become any worse since that time. I could live with it if the price of fixing it would be more painful....Any idea how much the job would cost...I don't suppose a novice should try and mess with the gearbox.
Posted: Apr 21, 2006 04:41 PM
Beatnut
9 posts
Joined: 06/04/2006 10:36:35
Location: Harlow United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
I have the same thing but from 3rd to 2nd, Same solution to sort it out though hold the clutch and coast of a second or two,
Posted: Apr 28, 2006 11:29 AM
Good afternoon,
Unfortunately, I have no idea as to the cost of repalcing the selector fork as I have leanred to live with it and will be undertaking the work myself.
From prior planning, everying seems straightforward about removing the gearbox and replacing the selector fork. It's a matter of whether you have the adequate tools and confidence in your mechanical ability.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained!!
Posted: Apr 28, 2006 12:33 PM
issigonis
5 posts
Joined: 25/06/2006 22:05:41
Location: tunbridge wells United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
2nd gear crunching.
I have an 1989 mini city 1000.
I have adjusted my driving style so as not to crunch the gearbox when selecting second gear on the up and down shift, basically i have to change slower and hold the lever against the gear to slow down the syncro for a second or so.
The clutch pedal only has limited movement and rests considerably lower than the brake pedal. The biting point is quite low and i am hoping one of you experts will tell me that it sounds like clutch adjustment.
If so how do i do it????? Cheers alec issigonis
Posted: Aug 06, 2006 10:05 PM
Stuart
243 posts
Joined: 17/05/2005 11:14:28
Location: Frome United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
Hi, I've got exactly the same car as you, and i had to adjust my driving style too. 1st to 2nd, let the revs drop a bit before changing, and 3rd to 2nd, do it at slow speeds >10mph and double the clutch before selecting 2nd. i think its quite a standard problem. i altered alot on my clutch trying to sort it, but with no luck.
Posted: Aug 07, 2006 07:09 PM
mark
397 posts
Joined: 18/08/2005 14:01:28
Location: Hitchin United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
when the clutch is getting worn, the first gear to show signs of this is reverse
sounds to me like the old box could be faulty
if you select reverse does it grind when selecting ???
Posted: Aug 08, 2006 11:06 AM
John
1948 posts
Joined: 28/05/2006 16:49:46
Location: cambridge United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
nearly all cars grind on reverse as to my knolege it doesnt have syncromesh. my 1275mini is the same on second and so is my m8s 1275. i think the syncro just wears more on 2nd. think they just needs new bulk rings.
Posted: Aug 08, 2006 09:57 PM
LewisCr125
136 posts
Joined: 13/04/2006 17:03:39
Location: Old Knebworth United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
Reverse gear in nearly all gearboxes is to straight cut gears sliding together. If the geabox hasn't stopped spinning when you go for reverse it'll grind.
Posted: Aug 10, 2006 11:43 PM
when a clutch is starting to wear out, from stationary, reverse is the hardest gear to select and fourth is the easiest. if you select reverse and its hard to engage and the car jolts, its time to change it. If the second gear can be selected easily at stationary and hard when on the move then the sync is getting worn. another good sign of this is if you put your foot down hard in second and it jumps out, its also worn.
hope this helps with your gearbox issues
Posted: Aug 11, 2006 08:33 AM
If it jumps out of gear when cruising then it's related to linkage.
If it jumps out of gear when under load. Like planting your foot to the floor then it's internal gearbox damage.
Posted: Aug 11, 2006 08:26 PM
C. Barron
332 posts
Joined: 04/05/2006 21:28:31
Location: Mid Calder United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
To adjust the clutch, yo could try slackening off the two nuts on the far left hand side of the clutch cover. These are the two big nuts locked together. One of them is the locknut and one the adjusting nut. Follow the clutch lever arm to where it meets the big allow 'wok on it's side' whci is bolted to the engine. Or nipp into Halfords for sneaky peek at a Haynes manual....it may help to adjust the clutch.
It's possible to change gear with worn synchro's, and the old double-de-clutch method will mean you can change quickly and not wear the synchro anymore by using it as the brake for the gears.
To change up a gear.....Accelerate normally, at the gear change put the clutch down, shift to neutral, clutch up,clutch down, select next gear.
To change down a gear.......Clutch down, into neutral, clutch up, rev the engine (to spin up the gears), clutch down, into lower gear.
It could help you to live with a problem gearbox for little while longer, but sooner or later.................
Posted: Aug 12, 2006 09:14 AM
Jez
8 posts
Joined: 25/09/2006 22:23:34
Location: Worcester United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
Spitting out 2nd gear !! PLEASE HELP !!
Just finally got my 2 year project on the road after full rebuild.
The new engine i fitted was from a 1300 mg metro i fitted a new clutch before fitting but didn't go into the box and just hoped for the best.
It drove too and from the MOT which it passed then drove like a dream for the next 20 miles, now however it has chosen to randomly start spitting it out of second gear, not every time just now and again normally when changing down into second !!!
Any ideas ???
Many thanks
Posted: Oct 04, 2007 09:38 AM
Batmini
168 posts
Joined: 11/03/2007 10:47:54
Location: Kidderminster United Kingdom (Excluding channel Islands)
Sorry to be the bringer of bad news, but that sounds like an engine/gearbox-out job.
I had the same problem with an old austin princess years ago, it would generally spit it out of second just as I was going around a corner. Makes you look/sound a right prat with the engine screaming! Turned out in my case that the syncromesh was worn, gearbox carried on working but eventually had to start doubling the clutch to get it in gear.
I would suggest you drop it into a specialist to help diagnose the fault further since on a mini the engine and gearbox 'share' the same oil supply. Any debris caused from a damaged gearbox will soon knacker your engine.
Posted: Oct 04, 2007 08:48 PM
Sorry Jez, just noticed as I posted the last message that you're in Worcester. Try Bromsgrove Engine Services just up the road. If worst comes to worst, they do a recon box for £195
Posted: Oct 04, 2007 08:54 PM